New Zealand Mar 9, 2007 18:20:46 GMT
Post by douglaswulf on Mar 9, 2007 18:20:46 GMT
You said "12 more episodes were logged as destroyed, yet 'The Lion' was also supposedly destroyed and it survived..."
The Lion did not have *any* notation against it as to what happened to it, a status that also applies to *all* the Season Five Troughton stories. So to say it was deemed destroyed is incorrect.
But Jon, surely "The Lion" WAS officially destroyed, as it was sent to the landfill. If it wasn't actually marked "destroyed" by NZBC, then that reflects incompetence on their part. As the film was "destroyed" is the original reason the BBC wanted to charge me with theft of it! (no no no: flotsam, jetsam . . . )
Maybe that incompetence extends to erroneously describing other stuff as destroyed too. For instance, you say Macra Terror destroyed in 1974, but Neil saw it screened in the "late 1970s".
So that story (Macra Terror) should be easy to trace. I'll do an advert in the next Film Buffs newsletter, inquiring for all lost eps by name, as that is probably what is written on the cans. Fingers crossed! (I can always barter my "Sooty" for it, if a Macra Terror turns up . . .)
I got the impression that 'The Lion' had been 'officially' destroyed by reading between the lines at the following website...
The website states:
After the transmissions, the episodes from this batch were retained at the Wellington Hill Street film store and were logged as held there on 1 April 1970. The Reign of Terror was subsequently destroyed on 18 June 1971 and Planet of Giants was destroyed on 14 July 1971. The first episode of The Crusade, The Lion, was still held in storage in Wellington in 1975, at which time it was scheduled to be destroyed. The 16mm film print was rescued from dumping by film collectors and was held in private hands until January 1999 when it was discovered in the collection of Auckland film buff Bruce Grenville by fans Neil Lambess and Paul Scoones, who arranged for the film to be loaned to the BBC.
Jon notes that "The Lion did not have *any* notation against it as to what happened to it" so that would place it in the "fate unknown" category, I suppose. I had picked up on the words, "at which time it was scheduled to be destroyed" to conclude that it was in the "destroyed" category.
Be that as it may, I think that neither empty film cans nor notations that prints were destroyed should be taken as complete proof of destruction.
Francis Watson was instructed to toss 'Daleks' Masterplan 2' and took it home instead. Liberating prints instead of destroying them is at least a possibility to consider. Also, there was an Australian print of an episode that was fished out of a trash bin. Even if these episodes were probably destroyed, we can't be entirely sure that all of them were. The sighting of two episodes of Macra in the late 1970s is another hint of this also.